The New Threat Matrix

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This special national security focused episode of Stay Tuned, “The New Threat Matrix,” is co-hosted by Lisa Monaco and Ken Wainstein.

Both Lisa and Ken have served at the highest levels of government -- at the Justice Department and as presidential advisors on matters of homeland security and counterterrorism. Lisa served under President Barack Obama, and Ken under President George W. Bush. They also both served as Chief of Staff to then-FBI Director Robert Mueller.

In this episode, Lisa and Ken do a deep dive on the national security implications of the coronavirus pandemic and break down the issues the U.S. would confront in the event of North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un’s death or incapacitation.

Lisa and Ken’s conversation continues for members of CAFE Insider community. The special Insider bonus material covers the latest news on FISA and the historical context that helps us make sense of the recent Inspector General reports. Plus, the recent firing of Intelligence Community Inspector General Michael Atkinson and what that means for U.S. national security. To listen, become a member of CAFE Insider.

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Recorded on 4/30/20


Host bios

Lisa Monaco, O’Melveny

Ken Wainstein, Davis Polk

The Archive
Lisa & Ken’s first podcast conversation: Stay Tuned National Security Special, 2/4/20
Special episode of CAFE Insider, featuring Lisa Monaco: Extraordinary Times, 3/17/20
Lisa Monaco joined Preet on Stay Tuned to help answer listener questions, 6/21/18
Lisa Monaco shares the story of her career in her first appearance on Stay Tuned: Behind Closed Doors: Advising Obama & Mueller, 9/28/17

Lisa Monaco and Michelle Flournoy, “Now’s Not the Time for Isolationism,” Politico, 4/8/20
“What caused the coronavirus? A skeptical take on the theories about the outbreak’s Chinese origin,” The Washington Post, 4/16/20
The U.N. Biological Weapons Convention - on the Prohibition of the Development, Production and Stockpiling of Bacteriological (Biological) and Toxin Weapons and on their Destruction
Bipartisan Commission on Biodefense, homepage and reports
A bill proposed by Senators Mitt Romney (R-UT) and Chris Murphy (D-CT): “To authorize a comprehensive, strategic approach for United States foreign assistance to developing countries to strengthen global health security, and for other purposes.”
The 9-11 Commission report and related materials
Rep. Adam Schiff’s press release and draft legislation: To establish the Commission on the COVID–19 Pandemic in the United States.
“Under Fire For Coronavirus Response, Trump Officials Defend Disbanding Pandemic Team,” TIME, 3/19/20
“President’s intelligence briefing book repeatedly cited virus threat,” The Washington Post, 4/27/20
President’s Daily Brief: “Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US,” 8/6/01 (declassified and approved for release on 4/10/04)
DOJ Memo: Department of Justice Enforcement Actions Related to COVID-19, 3/24/20
Harry Litman, “The DOJ Just Made it Too Easy to Link Coronavirus to Terrorism,” Los Angeles Times, 4/2/2020
Raffaello Pantucci, “After the Coronavirus, Terrorism Won’t Be the Same, Foreign Policy,” Foreign Policy, 4/22/20

Kim Jong-Un
CLIP: “Trump: 'Very good idea' on Kim Jong Un's health,” 4/27/20
“Is the talk about Kim Jong Un being sick — or worse — true? Pyongyang is abuzz, too.,” The Washington Post, 4/26/20
“Kim Jong Un makes public appearance, Korean media reports,” Financial Times, 5/1/20

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