[Unedited] Rachel Naomi Remen with Krista Tippett

The wise physician and lyrical author. How our losses actually help us to live. Perfection as the booby prize in life. "Wholeness is never lost, it is only forgotten." "Stories are the flesh we put on the bones of the facts of our lives." Listening Generously.

Rachel Naomi Remen’s lifelong struggle with Crohn’s disease has shaped her practice of medicine, and she in turn is helping to reshape the art of healing. "The way we deal with loss shapes our capacity to be present to life more than anything else," she says. And each of us, with our wounds and our flaws, has exactly what’s needed to help repair the part of the world that we can see and touch.

Dr. Rachel Naomi Remen is founder of the Remen Institute for the Study of Health and Illness (RISHI), clinical professor of family medicine at UCSF School of Medicine, and professor of family medicine at the Boonshoft School of Medicine at Wright State University. Her beloved books "Kitchen Table Wisdom" and "My Grandfather's Blessings" have been translated into 24 languages.

This interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode "Rachel Naomi Remen — The Difference Between Fixing and Healing." Find more at onbeing.org.