Winston refuses to agree that any organization can control climate, gravity, disease, pain, and death. O’Brien insists that the Party controls the laws of nature, and he dismisses the existence of the universe and all of science. There’s nothing that exists outside of man’s consciousness, for it’s not power over things the Party wields but power over men. Soon family relationships and sexual pleasure will be eradicated. There will be no laughter, art, literature, or science. Goldstein will exist forever, only so that he can be repeatedly defeated. Even under threat of severe pain, Winston won’t believe O’Brien’s assertions.